# VPN and Umbrel on a Raspberry **URL:** \ **Category:** General Discussion\ **Created:** [February 9, 2022, 7:42pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/vpn-and-umbrel-on-a-raspberry/6239 "2022-02-09T19:42:12Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Ferry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ferry](https://community.umbrel.com/u/Ferry)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 7:42pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/vpn-and-umbrel-on-a-raspberry/6239/1 "2022-02-09T19:42:12Z")
Hello, I am new here and an absolute beginner when in comes to Bitcoin nodes. I believe that it is fun and exciting to run your own node. However I have a question. Is it possible to connect to a VPN server when Umbrel is installed on a Raspberry? I like to keep my personal IP-address hidden as much as possible and my data encrypted. ---
**Author:** ![DarthCoin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/darthcoin/32/1628_2.png) [@DarthCoin](https://community.umbrel.com/u/DarthCoin)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 7:54pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/vpn-and-umbrel-on-a-raspberry/6239/2 "2022-02-09T19:54:04Z")
Let’s play a bit of trivia. Did you know that Umbrel nodes are running through Tor network? What do you know about Tor network? Do you know that can access in two different ways your Umbrel node? From LAN and WAN (Tor) ? ---
**Author:** ![Ferry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ferry](https://community.umbrel.com/u/Ferry)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 8:39pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/vpn-and-umbrel-on-a-raspberry/6239/3 "2022-02-09T20:39:35Z")
Yes, I have read somewhere that the nodes are running via the Tor network. The Tor network is like an onion. So it’s harder to find the origin of the data. The accessibility over the WAN network might be a point of concern to my opinion. I don’t want my node accessible from the outside. I also wonder are there any vulnerabilities? I don’t want my node to be hacked and lose my coins. ---
**Author:** ![DarthCoin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/darthcoin/32/1628_2.png) [@DarthCoin](https://community.umbrel.com/u/DarthCoin)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 8:41pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/vpn-and-umbrel-on-a-raspberry/6239/4 "2022-02-09T20:41:34Z")
Here, start reading the getting started guide with Umbrel > [@Getting Started with your Umbrel](http://community.umbrel.com/t/getting-started-with-your-umbrel/3555/): > > INTRODUCTION If you are a new user of Umbrel node, here you have a mini guide and links about how to use this amazing simple software node. It is important that if you start from zero knowledge, to begin with reading about what is Bitcoin Lightning Network (LN) and how to use it, basic concepts and functionalities. In this guide you will find many links to those resources. Do NOT ignore them, read them and then put them in practice with your Umbrel node. A Lightning node is like a living organ… ---
**Author:** ![Ferry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Ferry](https://community.umbrel.com/u/Ferry)\ **Post date:** [February 9, 2022, 9:05pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/vpn-and-umbrel-on-a-raspberry/6239/5 "2022-02-09T21:05:23Z")
That is a good idea. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![mamosw](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@mamosw](https://community.umbrel.com/u/mamosw)\ **Post date:** [February 13, 2023, 7:14am UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/vpn-and-umbrel-on-a-raspberry/6239/6 "2023-02-13T07:14:05Z")
How about if you don’t want your ISP to see that your on the Tor network? Everything I run Umbrel alongside a VPN it will timeout. I am trying to find a solution, anyone with some ideas would be greatly appreciated ---
**Author:** ![samdakap](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/51bf81/32.png) [@samdakap](https://community.umbrel.com/u/samdakap)\ **Post date:** [February 25, 2023, 12:05am UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/vpn-and-umbrel-on-a-raspberry/6239/7 "2023-02-25T00:05:42Z")
So if I understand correctly, you’re saying that it’s safe to download torrents using Transmission on Umbrel without additional VPN, even though IP address matches the ISP’s (when testing with [ipleak.net](http://ipleak.net)) ? I understand that Tor is like having many vpn’s linked together, but I can’t help but being worried about this IP adress matter… ---
**Author:** ![rayvenj](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/rayvenj/32/660_2.png) [@rayvenj](https://community.umbrel.com/u/rayvenj)\ **Post date:** [August 16, 2023, 2:05am UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/vpn-and-umbrel-on-a-raspberry/6239/8 "2023-08-16T02:05:05Z")
It’s not safe. Umbrel needs a VPN. It currently does not have one. ---
**Author:** ![smolgrrr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/smolgrrr/32/2825_2.png) [@smolgrrr](https://community.umbrel.com/u/smolgrrr)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2023, 2:50am UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/vpn-and-umbrel-on-a-raspberry/6239/9 "2023-08-17T02:50:57Z")
Hi @rayvenj, just curious, what is your concern? I believe syncing over Tor/I2P is much better than using a VPN when it comes to privately syncing a bitcoin node. ---
**Author:** ![kkio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9a140/32.png) [@kkio](https://community.umbrel.com/u/kkio)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 1:00pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/vpn-and-umbrel-on-a-raspberry/6239/10 "2023-11-07T13:00:57Z")
How can I verify that Umbrel is running through Tor network? When I ssh into Umbrel and execute “systemctl status tor” it says there’s no tor.service running. Shouldn’t it run through systemd? ---
**Author:** ![kkio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e9a140/32.png) [@kkio](https://community.umbrel.com/u/kkio)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 1:26pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/vpn-and-umbrel-on-a-raspberry/6239/11 "2023-11-07T13:26:28Z")
Tor Browser webpage says: “Please do not torrent over Tor.” ([Tor Project | Download](https://www.torproject.org/download/)) So I’d assume it’s not a good idea to use Tor for torrenting. I think it’s harmful for the network. ---
**Author:** ![smolgrrr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/smolgrrr/32/2825_2.png) [@smolgrrr](https://community.umbrel.com/u/smolgrrr)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2023, 11:13pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/vpn-and-umbrel-on-a-raspberry/6239/12 "2023-11-07T23:13:21Z")
> sudo docker ps | grep tor which will show you the main tor container, app proxies and which port it’s running through ---
**Author:** ![Marky5](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e95f7d/32.png) [@Marky5](https://community.umbrel.com/u/Marky5)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 2:13am UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/vpn-and-umbrel-on-a-raspberry/6239/13 "2023-11-08T02:13:47Z")
I am so surprised that there still isn’t a VPN routing option on Umbrel. I would love to see a settings interface or app added to Umbrel where you can select what apps you have installed get routed to the internet. For example everything is clear by default, but I want some apps to go over tor and have others go over a VPN service of my choice. Perfect example is to a Transmission have it’s traffic routed to a external VPN to not send traffic in the clear. ---
**Author:** ![smolgrrr](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/smolgrrr/32/2825_2.png) [@smolgrrr](https://community.umbrel.com/u/smolgrrr)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2023, 1:35pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/vpn-and-umbrel-on-a-raspberry/6239/14 "2023-11-08T13:35:43Z")
totally get it, hopefully soon- from what i understand it is a pretty painful implementation when tied together with docker, and then adding it to Umbrel’s UI. for the moment, you can use SSH to install Wireguard or OpenVPN. ---
**Author:** ![rayvenj](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/rayvenj/32/660_2.png) [@rayvenj](https://community.umbrel.com/u/rayvenj)\ **Post date:** [November 23, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/vpn-and-umbrel-on-a-raspberry/6239/15 "2023-11-23T15:54:49Z")
I am not using this particular machine for syncing a bitcoin node. It is for media only.