# Umbrel Troubleshooting Guide **URL:** \ **Category:** Guides\ **Created:** [September 25, 2021, 8:05am UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632 "2021-09-25T08:05:10Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mahesh](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9dc877/32.png) [@mahesh](https://community.umbrel.com/u/mahesh)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 2:47pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/22 "2022-01-29T14:47:48Z")
Have you earned anything? Then why is everyone going so mad? There are many node making videos on youtube. In the video, it is shown like this, what can you do? I ask you, is there really any earning from node making or mining? ---
**Author:** ![DarthCoin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/darthcoin/32/1628_2.png) [@DarthCoin](https://community.umbrel.com/u/DarthCoin)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/23 "2022-01-29T15:12:01Z")
Please first thing do this: [read the getting started with Umbrel manual](http://community.umbrel.com/t/getting-started-with-your-umbrel/3555/) ---
**Author:** ![Rene1980](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/85e7bf/32.png) [@Rene1980](https://community.umbrel.com/u/Rene1980)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 3:13pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/24 "2022-01-29T15:13:36Z")
we are patriots and want to promote Bitcoin and make it safer. In addition, we have a truly anonymous access to Bitcoin without KYC. in addition, we have access that we can regulate ourselves in the Lightning Network. I have already earned a few Satoshi but spent far more on channels and balance. ---
**Author:** ![LoboGuara](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/54ee81/32.png) [@LoboGuara](https://community.umbrel.com/u/LoboGuara)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 5:14pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/25 "2022-01-29T17:14:29Z")
I can´t understand why using very low fees. Routing should cost few dolar cents, but not free service. ---
**Author:** ![DarthCoin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/darthcoin/32/1628_2.png) [@DarthCoin](https://community.umbrel.com/u/DarthCoin)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2022, 5:15pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/26 "2022-01-29T17:15:22Z")
#ZeroFeeFebruary All those running a LN node, let’s set our LN channels fees to 0/0 for the whole month of February! Why? Because “F”: - February - Fee - Fuck banks - Fuck fiat - Fuck you money - Freedom - Free choice - Free market ---
**Author:** ![Atanama](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/41988e/32.png) [@Atanama](https://community.umbrel.com/u/Atanama)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2022, 2:54am UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/27 "2022-02-20T02:54:40Z")
> [@DarthCoin](#): > > STEP 1: COPY OVER THE CHANNEL BACKUP FILE FROM YOUR COMPUTER TO YOUR UMBREL. Hello, I’ve been trying with no success. It might be that connecting using SSH is not necessary for step1? ---
**Author:** ![DarthCoin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/darthcoin/32/1628_2.png) [@DarthCoin](https://community.umbrel.com/u/DarthCoin)\ **Post date:** [February 20, 2022, 10:53am UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/28 "2022-02-20T10:53:40Z")
Yes, scp command is not inside SSH Read more here > **[Linux SCP command](https://www.ionos.com/digitalguide/server/configuration/linux-scp-command/)** > > The Linux SCP command can be used to copy data between computers in a network. We introduce the command, give examples, and inform you about alternatives. and here is a full guide about restoring an umbrel node funds > [@How to restore your node wallet (updated)](http://community.umbrel.com/t/how-to-restore-your-node-wallet/3602): > > NOTICE: this guide was made for Umbrel v 0.4.x. It is not valid anymore for v 0.5.x. [Please follow these instructiions for v 0.5.0x](https://twitter.com/umbrel/status/1562099972547690501) Here is a separate chapter about managing your Umbrel node, about methods/ways to restore/recover your Umbrel LND wallet in case of SHTF. There are many users that do crazy stuff with their Umbrel nodes and sometimes, there’s no other way to fix it than restore it into another wallet app and start over with a new one or same LND wallet but in a new instance. REME… ---
**Author:** ![ronniegrob](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/ronniegrob/32/2001_2.png) [@ronniegrob](https://community.umbrel.com/u/ronniegrob)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 7:47pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/29 "2022-02-21T19:47:34Z")
Entered my node using SSH. I tried `~/umbrel/bin/lncli pendingchannels But absolutely nothing happens, just a new line. Blockchain is synched 100% after restore since 1 day. 1 channel still has not closed yet. What could I try? ---
**Author:** ![DarthCoin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/darthcoin/32/1628_2.png) [@DarthCoin](https://community.umbrel.com/u/DarthCoin)\ **Post date:** [February 21, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/30 "2022-02-21T19:49:26Z")
Install the Umbrel app Lightning Shel and you will have a nice web access to all cli commands and many more tools ---
**Author:** ![trader4life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/trader4life/32/70_2.png) [@trader4life](https://community.umbrel.com/u/trader4life)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 8:48am UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/31 "2022-02-22T08:48:16Z")
Hey. thanks for this guide. I just assigned a fixed ip to my node and finally I can access it anytime I want. While doing the static IP, I see that there was an update available but after I gave a static IP update reminder went missing and when I check for updates through settings it says last version but it’s 0.4.10. Tried to update with SSH and I get this warning: ![umbrel_ssh](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/getumbrel/original/2X/a/acac45e2b7f11dd054f20b39551352ba9087d103.png) Any tips? Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![DarthCoin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/darthcoin/32/1628_2.png) [@DarthCoin](https://community.umbrel.com/u/DarthCoin)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 10:05am UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/32 "2022-02-22T10:05:38Z")
You are doing it WRONG! Do not update through Lightning Shell app! The procedure for manual updating is very clear (and all commands in the /umbrel/ folder): 1. stop umbrel scripts 2. update OS system (if your machine is not Rasp Pi) 3. restart machine 4. run the Umbrel manual update script command 5. start umbrel script Done ---
**Author:** ![trader4life](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/trader4life/32/70_2.png) [@trader4life](https://community.umbrel.com/u/trader4life)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 3:07pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/33 "2022-02-22T15:07:06Z")
Hey, thanks for the response. Well as you can see from the screenshot I have tried to use the commands on the FAQ. I’m running it on Rasp Pi. Just looked into stop umbrel script on github. It goes like this: ![umbrell3](https://canada1.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/uploads/getumbrel/original/2X/a/ae9f72eec2351b8e695feba2c2e982e069378ca8.png) Would you mind giving me the command order so I can learn this process? Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![DarthCoin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/darthcoin/32/1628_2.png) [@DarthCoin](https://community.umbrel.com/u/DarthCoin)\ **Post date:** [February 22, 2022, 3:45pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/34 "2022-02-22T15:45:13Z")
Try rm -f ~/umbrel/statuses/update-in-progress && sudo ~/umbrel/scripts/update/update --repo getumbrel/umbrel#v0.4.14 ---
**Author:** ![OpenWaterSwim](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/openwaterswim/32/2014_2.png) [@OpenWaterSwim](https://community.umbrel.com/u/OpenWaterSwim)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 5:34pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/35 "2022-02-28T17:34:41Z")
**I restored my Umbrel node from seed but my balance is zero.** I upgraded my Pi Umbrel from a 1TB to a 2TB hard drive. I managed to close out my LND channels and return all the sats to my Bitcoin Wallet using the commands provided, but the wallet was incorrect. I followed the instructions, but now my Bitcoin Wallet balance is 0. I created a wallet in BlueWallet with the original Umbrel seed phrase and see that all the sats are there, so I know I have not lost anything, but would like to know if the commands here should restore the transaction history on Umbrel. Thanks! ---
**Author:** ![DarthCoin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/darthcoin/32/1628_2.png) [@DarthCoin](https://community.umbrel.com/u/DarthCoin)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/36 "2022-02-28T21:10:43Z")
If you already have all the funds in Bluewallet I would suggest to reset your user data and start from scratch (without re-sync). See the troubleshooting manual the section about reset user data. Seems that you didn’t read [the dedicated guide](http://community.umbrel.com/t/how-to-restore-your-node-wallet/3602/) for restoring or moving old node to new node, or you didn’t copied correctly the data from the old drive and that end up in starting a new reindex and rescan of the addresses. You should look into your electr logs and bitcoin logs and have patience to wait until the rescan is done. ---
**Author:** ![OpenWaterSwim](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/openwaterswim/32/2014_2.png) [@OpenWaterSwim](https://community.umbrel.com/u/OpenWaterSwim)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 9:19pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/37 "2022-02-28T21:19:00Z")
I read the [How to restore your node wallet](http://community.umbrel.com/t/how-to-restore-your-node-wallet/3602), which is how I got as far as I did. This was how I restored my funds for my LND channels, but could not seem to restore the sats to the Bitcoin Wallet. I could certainly try again with step 1, but I do not believe that will show the funds in the Bitcoin Wallet again. I came to the same conclusion as your recommendation about starting over and transferring the funds to the new Umbrel node wallet, but wanted to check to make sure there was not another way to keep the same seed phrase and capture the transactions from the blockchain. It seems odd to me that I cannot force the Bitcoin Wallet to rescan the entire blockchain for my transactions. Is there a way to delete, recreate, and reload the blockchain on my new 2TB SSD via command line? Would that even make a difference? @DarthCoin you are an amazing Force to be reckoned with in this community and are consistently helpful to all of us learning about Umbrel. Thanks man! I appreciate you. ---
**Author:** ![DarthCoin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/darthcoin/32/1628_2.png) [@DarthCoin](https://community.umbrel.com/u/DarthCoin)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 9:43pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/38 "2022-02-28T21:43:40Z")
> [@OpenWaterSwim](#): > > I could certainly try again with step 1, Noooo! Do not do that again? You already did enough damage. For migrating a node from one disk to another, simply have to copy the whole disk using an image cloning software, or simply copying the Umbrel folder. You do not have to close the channels, using the restore procedure. That is done ONLY if previous disk is damaged or data cannot be retrieved. As I said: now that all your funds are already in Bluewallet, just reset your umbrel user data (see in the troubleshooting manual): Enter using SSH and run the following: `sudo systemctl stop umbrel-startup && sudo rm -rf ~/umbrel/lnd/!(lnd.conf) && sudo rm ~/umbrel/db/user.json && sudo rm ~/umbrel/db/umbrel-seed/seed && sudo systemctl start umbrel-startup` This will create a new node id, new wallet, new seed, start fresh, forget about old nodeid. Then you can just send the funds using Bluewallet to your new umbrel wallet and open new channels. ---
**Author:** ![OpenWaterSwim](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/openwaterswim/32/2014_2.png) [@OpenWaterSwim](https://community.umbrel.com/u/OpenWaterSwim)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 9:46pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/39 "2022-02-28T21:46:45Z")
I saw the, “Noooo! Do not do that again? You already did enough damage.” pop up on my notifications and it made me laugh out loud. Thank you for your help. I will do that. I appreciate all your help. I can follow those simple instructions. ---
**Author:** ![DarthCoin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/darthcoin/32/1628_2.png) [@DarthCoin](https://community.umbrel.com/u/DarthCoin)\ **Post date:** [February 28, 2022, 9:50pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/40 "2022-02-28T21:50:23Z")
If you already initiated that recovery of funds and you have all channels closed and funds back in onchain… there is no need anymore for that old node id. Forget it. ---
**Author:** ![OpenWaterSwim](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/openwaterswim/32/2014_2.png) [@OpenWaterSwim](https://community.umbrel.com/u/OpenWaterSwim)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 6:05pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632/41 "2022-03-01T18:05:52Z")
@DarthCoin After updating to Umbrel Version 0.4.15 all my sats are now showing in my Bitcoin Wallet, so I do not need to run the command you provided previously. Thank you for all your help. [Previous page](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632.md?page=1) [Next page](https://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-troubleshooting-guide/3632.md?page=3)