# Ride The Lightning password changed? **URL:** \ **Category:** Support and Troubleshooting\ **Created:** [March 2, 2022, 8:53am UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/ride-the-lightning-password-changed/6568 "2022-03-02T08:53:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 7\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ducalcubits](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@ducalcubits](https://community.umbrel.com/u/ducalcubits)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 8:53am UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/ride-the-lightning-password-changed/6568/1 "2022-03-02T08:53:08Z")
Hello, I have been running an Umbrel for the past 8 months. My password for RTL is one I have created and is kept in a password manager. After updating to the newest Umbrel version, I cannot log into RTL anymore with the password I have been using. I have also tried the default password that Umbrel creates cryptographically. Any ideas? Can I delete and reinstall RTL? Thank you for any help. Cubits ---
**Author:** ![Gravity87](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gravity87](https://community.umbrel.com/u/Gravity87)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 10:09am UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/ride-the-lightning-password-changed/6568/2 "2022-03-02T10:09:27Z")
I can confirm password probs with RTL after updating to the latest Umbrel version (0.4.15). There seems to be something basically wrong. I deleted my RTL-installation and reinstalled it via the Umbrel-App-Store. With this way I got shown a long default-password (looks like a hashed password, but it isn’t actually) and at least regained access to my RTL-installation. It seems, that there is no data-loss by the reinstall-process, but nevertheless, pay a little bit attention… My old password is dropped (for RTL). Any attempt to set my old password again failed. In ~/umbrel/app-data/ride-the-lightning/rtl/RTL-Config.json there is no longer an option “multiPassHashed”, but only “multiPass”. AND: (in my case) It’s irrelevant to which password I set this value - after restart of the RTL-docker container on the Umbrel, only the default password from the RTL-installation will work. Spooky. ---
**Author:** ![ducalcubits](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@ducalcubits](https://community.umbrel.com/u/ducalcubits)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 10:23am UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/ride-the-lightning-password-changed/6568/3 "2022-03-02T10:23:08Z")
Thank you for confirming the issue. I have deleted and re-installed RTL with no data loss. Was freaking me out thinking that my node somehow got compromised. ---
**Author:** ![Gravity87](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/4491bb/32.png) [@Gravity87](https://community.umbrel.com/u/Gravity87)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2022, 11:49am UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/ride-the-lightning-password-changed/6568/4 "2022-03-02T11:49:41Z")
I created a Github issue. Perhaps the programmers of RTL have an answer/solution to this problem. Reference: > > > \*\*Describe the bug\*\* > After the actual Umbrel upgrade to v0.4.15 an user-set pas…sword for login to RTL is lost/dropped. There's only access to RTL with the installation default password, which is not shown, if you upgrade a running Umbrel/RTL installation. The login password also seems not to be changeable on Umbrel shell level. I suspect, there goes something wrong with the $APP\_PASSWORD string?! But I don't know exactly.... > > \*\*To Reproduce\*\* > Login failure appears always as long you try to get RTL-access with your old password and don't know about a reset to a default password during the upgrade procedure... > > \*\*Screenshots\*\* > / > > \*\*Your environment\*\* > \* Version of \`RTL\`: 0.12.1-beta > \* Version of \`lnd\`: 0.14.2-beta > \* Version of \`btcd\`, \`bitcoind\`, or other backend: v22.0.0 > \* Browser & browser version: Firefox v 97.0.1 > \* Operating system (\`uname -a\` on \*Nix): Linux umbrel 5.10.63-v8+ #1459 SMP PREEMPT Wed Oct 6 16:42:49 BST 2021 aarch64 GNU/Linux > \* any other relevant environment details: Umbrel v0.4.15 > > \*\*Additional context\*\* > A simple-dimple solution is, to uninstall RTL from the Umbrel system and reinstall it from the Umbrel App store. During this procedure you get at least the default password displayed, with which access to the RTL installtion is possible. > > It seems so, that in the actual setup of Umbrel/RTL there is no possibility to set the RTL-password to an individual phrase, neither via RTL-app nor on the grounds of the Umbrel shell level. > > My preferred solution would be: Changing option for the login password within the RTL app. Especially, the way of changing the user password during a kind of 'headless install procedure' (cause of shutting down Umbrel/RTL within this procedure) seems not to be very user-friendly. ;-) > > Reference to: > https://community.umbrel.com/t/ride-the-lightning-password-changed/6568 > > Thanx a lot! ---
**Author:** ![ClarionChain](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3da27b/32.png) [@ClarionChain](https://community.umbrel.com/u/ClarionChain)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2022, 4:44pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/ride-the-lightning-password-changed/6568/5 "2022-03-05T16:44:43Z")
> [@Gravity87](#): > > Password problems with RTL after Upgrade on a running Umbrel system Same problem for me. Upgraded and RTL password is horked. Deleted and re-installed, no data loss, but the app blows. Will be deleting until they fix this. I continue to be shocked at how a lot of these apps fuck with the password, don’t let you change it, etc. Garbage. ---
**Author:** ![lost\_knight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e5b9ba/32.png) [@lost\_knight](https://community.umbrel.com/u/lost_knight)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 1:48pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/ride-the-lightning-password-changed/6568/6 "2022-04-24T13:48:34Z")
I read the discussion in Github - very weird behavior from Umbrel! ---
**Author:** ![DarthCoin](https://yyz2.discourse-cdn.com/flex030/user_avatar/community.umbrel.com/darthcoin/32/1628_2.png) [@DarthCoin](https://community.umbrel.com/u/DarthCoin)\ **Post date:** [April 24, 2022, 3:31pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/ride-the-lightning-password-changed/6568/7 "2022-04-24T15:31:41Z")
You guys do not read Umbrel announcement and do not pay attention to details? [http://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-0-4-8-is-out-with-cryptographically-secure-default-app-passwords/](http://community.umbrel.com/t/umbrel-0-4-8-is-out-with-cryptographically-secure-default-app-passwords/)