# Recover lightning funds without backup files
**URL:** https://community.umbrel.com/t/recover-lightning-funds-without-backup-files/13800
**Category:** Support and Troubleshooting
**Created:** [October 1, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/recover-lightning-funds-without-backup-files/13800 "2023-10-01T15:04:55Z")
**Posts on this page:** 3
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### Author:  [@Tr4ck3r](https://community.umbrel.com/u/Tr4ck3r)
#### Post date: [October 1, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/recover-lightning-funds-without-backup-files/13800/1 "2023-10-01T15:04:55Z")
Hi. My SSD died (auto saves in the drive too) and after a while I wad able to buy a new one.
After reinstalling umbrel and recovering my Bitcoin node and Lightning wallet, it seems like I can only see onchain (“real” Bitcoin) funds, but not Lightning funds.
I tried the option recover channels in the Lightning app, but it asks for the backup file which I lost when my drive crashed.
Can I recover my channels without a backup file?
Where are my Lightning funds?
Here is my info:
> **[Tr4ck3r - 037a15...5472cb - Amboss Space](https://amboss.space/node/037a1502ae6d43a959f49f5e1063d133e69fa33d6ae9256db7ecfffb684f5472cb)**
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> Tr4ck3r - 037a1502ae6d43a959f49f5e1063d133e69fa33d6ae9256db7ecfffb684f5472cb - 7 channels - capacity 6,225,000 sats - Bitcoin Mainnet - Amboss Space
> **[Tr4ck3r • LightningNetwork+](https://lightningnetwork.plus/nodes/037a1502ae6d43a959f49f5e1063d133e69fa33d6ae9256db7ecfffb684f5472cb)**
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> Bitcoin Lightning Network Node: 037a1502ae6d43a959f49f5e1063d133e69fa33d6ae9256db7ecfffb684f5472cb
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### Author:  [@y.baidiuk](https://community.umbrel.com/u/y.baidiuk)
#### Post date: [October 11, 2023, 11:30pm UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/recover-lightning-funds-without-backup-files/13800/2 "2023-10-11T23:30:07Z")
Probably you have to wait long time before other peers will force close channel to you.
umbrel so backup itself 2-4 times per day, to own server
( [https://twitter.com/umbrel/status/1562099972547690501](https://twitter.com/umbrel/status/1562099972547690501) )
or you cant try backups in UMBOSS which some people do using thunderhub.
Probably you can try to recover ssd files.
Without backup file it impossible.
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### Author:  [@Tr4ck3r](https://community.umbrel.com/u/Tr4ck3r)
#### Post date: [October 17, 2023, 6:38am UTC](https://community.umbrel.com/t/recover-lightning-funds-without-backup-files/13800/3 "2023-10-17T06:38:36Z")
Maybe I can try to contact other guys to ask them to force close the channel? Is it my only solution?